This guy at the range constantly refuses to shut the fuck up about how the ar15 is a piece of shit, and always references his supposed time in vietnam where he and his unit would ditch their m16 in favor of the ak47. Is it true that during the vietnam war, american troops would. Only a fool would say the us lost vietnam because the m16 jammed in the jungle. Police and military forces around the world use both extensively, and the two platforms have been headtohead against each other in various military conflicts for nearly 50 years. Though some accessories were later developed for this weapon. Nov 11, 2006 while visiting the cu chi tunnels in vietnam, i had the chance to fire an ak 47. Soldiers would later complain that the m16 was prone to jamming and didnt compare to the reliability of the ak47. The front sight is a post adjustable for elevation in the field. Me and my friend were talking about the whole m4 and m16 vs the ak47 debate and he was wondering which of the two rifles is louder for the shooter, downrange and from afar, the smaller faster 5. The vietnamese used them on home soil and won with them. While the ak47 used wood and massproduced steel, the m16 used aluminium and hightensile plastic wherever possible. Ak47 vs m16 rifle difference and comparison diffen. This army materiel command publicity photo shows offhand firing of the upstart little 5.
Talking to a early 70s navy guy, who went into navy basic just as the vietnam war was ending. Originally manufactured by the soviet union, most of these assault rifles used in the war were made in the peoples republic of china, which was the chief supplier of armaments to nva and vc forces. In numerous accounts in different books written mainly by americans and other westerners, many blamed the m16 rifle for jamming up in the heat of battle. The army never really wanted the m16 they thought the m14 was the. These guys will lose their country if they truly prefer the m 16s long range and complain about its fighting characteristics from inside an afv over the most reliable combat assault weapon produced since ww ii. The ak 47 was the primary infantry weapon of the north vietnamese army nva and the vietcong vc. But 47 is more popular than m16 anddid you watch on utube where they tested the m16 and ak47. In the nva, more and more ak47s were provided to their frontline troops many of these were chinese type 56 variants. As mentioned in some of my earlier posts, i have read books about the vietnam war and have my own collection at home too.
The ak47 was far more dependable, and had a larger 30round magazine to boot. The a1 isnt really a discrete variant, its more or less just the name for the standardized army variant, and rifles marked as such were rolled out beginning in 1967, like you said. Short version you have 1 ar15 m16 and variants more accurate at distance, lighter in weight, requires more maintenance and is more expensive. Not trying to take sides, have both rifles and think they have different but important. The two most common assault rifles in the world are the soviet ak47 and the american m16. Its famous silhouette is recognized around the world.
The ak 47 was not designed to mount any accessories, except the bayonet. Both gained popularity and fame for being the standard issue assault rifles used respectively by the soviet and u. From 56th venice biennale, the propeller group, the ak47 vs the m16 installation view 2015, fragments of ak47 and m16 bullets, ballistic gel, glass c. Two of the most common assault rifles in the world are the ak47 and the m16. Is it true that during the vietnam war, american troops. But ill bet your police officer friend did not hit a torsosized target at 900 ft.
The ak47 was the primary infantry weapon of the north vietnamese army nva and the vietcong vc. So when i was in vietnam if anyone fired an ak within earshot you knew what it was and would immediately go on point and grab for the nearest gun. Recoil, accuracy, etci like to think of the ak47 as the bad guy gunof course so thats my reason. During the vietnam war, the m16 was thrown away in favor of the ak 47. During the vietnam war, the ak47 earned the grudging respect of the american fighting man, even as his own m16 became the subject of controversy. The soviet union and its warsaw pact allies widely used the ak47, while the m16 has been the mainstay of the us military since the vietnam war. What made the ak47 the worlds most popular assault rifle. The m16 and ak47 are two of the worlds most iconic assault rifles. By the late 60s, the north vietnamese guerillas had armed themselves with many ak47s and akms, as well as the chinese version of the akm, named type 56. Jul 07, 2010 which is the better rifle platform, eugene stoners ar15m16 or mikhail kalishnikovs ak47. The ak 47 can be fitted with a 25mm underbarrel grenade launcher. Me and my friend were talking about the whole m4 and m16 vs the ak 47 debate and he was wondering which of the two rifles is louder for the shooter, downrange and from afar, the smaller faster 5. Urbanspartan125 the ak47 is crap, its innacurate, and that is what matters in a gun fight.
By robert bruce in vietnam around the end of 1965, us forces first engaged disciplined, regular troops of the north vietnamese army in the bloody battles of ia drang. Jan 19, 2016 ak 47 vs m16 times were getting worse, and soon american troops were being called into combat. Mar 18, 2015 im just reading magnificent bastards about the 24 usmc in vietnam and it seems that in most of the battles the m16 jams, at one point an entire company had its guns jammed and couldnt fire at all. In vietnam id rather the ak, and many units especially combined units kept captured ak 47 s to be used if need be, rather than handing them in to their cos to add to statistics, theyd keep. During the vietnam war, the m16 was thrown away in favor of the ak47. Fragments of ak47 and m16 bullets, ballistics gel and custom vitrine. The ak47 and m16 are a generation apart in smallarms design. Recoil, accuracy, etci like to think of the ak 47 as the bad guy gunof course so thats my reason. Id prefer the bad guys being dead or outofaction asap. I have used both and each have their drawbacks and advantages. Those ballistic differences disappear when you compare the ak74, instead of the ak47, to the ar15. Some of the soldiers even ditch their m16 in favour of the ak.
When his battalion was constructing a fire base, a bulldozer uncovered the body of a dead viet cong soldier, complete with ak 47. The fact of the matter is that the ak 47 never reached anywhere near 100% of market penetration for combat troops in vietnam, whether they be nva or vietcong even by the wars end in 1975 and equally so for the m16. It also earned the respect of the american army in the vietnam war and held its own vs the m16. Lets face it, anybody who has been in the military in the last 40 years has been told that the great thing about the 5. The most recognizable variant of the original ak47 is the akm, which entered service in 1959 and was regularly encountered in vietnam. The sovietmade ak47 and the american m16, the primary assault rifles deployed during the vietnam war, became symbols of the long. The ak47 and the evolution of war, by cj chivers introduced to the world in 1947, the kalashnikov automatic rifle changed the course of warfare. The propeller group the ak47 vs the m16 installation. In contrast, the enemys ak47prc type 56 assault rifle had grown in folklore into what many considered the worlds most reliable, accurate and deadly shoulder weapon. The small diameter causes the bullet to slow from air resistance quite rapidly. May 23, 2018 it didnt matter that the ak overall was a much less refined and effective weapon in theory than the m16, or that the m16 by 1970 was a quite mature and reliable weapon, the morale hit of having a rifle so inferior in reliability and durability gave the m16 a reputation in those early years that it has barely shaken even today. The m14 was a progressive evolution of the m1 but with a box magazine and some other changes.
The m16, however, in the right hands, can rip the middle out of a pie plate at that range all day long. He did a comparison of both weapons on the history channel. Ak47s had been in production for a decade and a half before americans got involved in the vn war. While visiting the cu chi tunnels in vietnam, i had the chance to fire an ak47. The ak 47 is not accurate enough for engagements at that distance. Sep 03, 2010 the ak has substantial impact at 300 600 meters. One single rifle platform doesnt win or lose a war. Nov 06, 2007 talking to a early 70s navy guy, who went into navy basic just as the vietnam war was ending. The ak47 round is bigger but slower than the m16 round, it. They put both guns under the tank,when he was moving. The fact of the matter is that the ak47 never reached anywhere near 100% of market penetration for combat troops in vietnam, whether they be nva or vietcong even by the wars end in. The m16 rifle, officially designated rifle, caliber 5. David hackworth, a decorated officer of the vietnam war, where he talks about the ak. M16s discussion in vmbb general discussion started by snakedriver, nov 8, 2009.
Ive heard the best thing about the ak is that its hard to break in all conditions, though the m16 must have had some advantages over its rival surely. The ak 47 and the m16 are two of the most widely used assault rifles in the world. The ak 47 and m16 are a generation apart in smallarms design. The m4m16 has been around for many years, as has the ak47. These cold warera rifles have been used in conflicts both large and small since the 1960s. M16 vs ak 47 according to the unbiased and completely objective news service al jazeera, the ak 47 kills around 250,000 people per year and is the real weapon of mass destruction. After the vcs failed tet offensive in early 1968, their cadre shrank considerably, but the ak47 remained their favored weapon. When comparing the ak47 vs m4, the effectiveness of the m4m16 has obviously gone away. The soviet designed ak 47 is essentially the weapon of choice for poor nations, terrorists and revolutionaries, and has been for many decades. Yep, it might be a myth, but its undeniable that aks 7.
At the start of the vietnam war, was the m16 worse than the ak47. They realized that a single guerilla using an ak47 could slow down a company. The m16 or, more accurately, the ar15 family of weapons seems to have won this. However, the m16a1 got continually improved all the way through 1968, especially after the ichord hearings in mid1967. Its no coincidence that they appear together, for each weapon symbolizes the two opposing sides of the cold war. The ak 47 assault rifle was designed to be perfectly suitable for untrained recruits. Colt purchased the rights to the ar15 from armalite. Examining a polishmade ak47 in vietnam during 1968. One is the most prolific rifle in history and a symbol of revolution around the. These cold warera rifles have been used in conflicts both large. The trainers put just a little sand in the m16 and got the gun to jam.
Nov 14, 2017 during the vietnam war, the ak 47 earned the grudging respect of the american fighting man, even as his own m16 became the subject of controversy. Nov 03, 2009 ak 47 legendary reliability under combat conditions vs. Ak 47 vs m16 times were getting worse, and soon american troops were being called into combat. Even on the most basic level of caliber, ak47s and m14s are both. Mar 18, 2015 yep, it might be a myth, but its undeniable that ak s 7. The m16 and ak 47 are two of the worlds most iconic assault rifles. Its main characters are two guns, portrayed as storied rivals. Jun 10, 2017 in 1974, the soviets began replacing their ak47 and a k m rifles with a newer design, the ak74, which uses 5.
P lol just playing, reason why is because more damage, and cheaper to make. Which is the better weapon combat wise, and in particular the vietnam war. The m16 and ak47 are the most recognizable assault rifles in the world. There are consequences for losing your weapon, even in combat. The great rival for the ak47 is the us designed m16 assault rifle. The simple but deadly accurate ak47, known to many as the peasants rifle, was shorter and heavier than the m16, with a lower rate of fire up to. Even on the most basic level of caliber, ak 47s and m14s are both. History the assault rifle is essentially a hybrid of submachine gun and rifle. However, there were many teething problems with moving the army from the clumsy, slow and heavy m14 to the m16. Aboveweapons seized by south vietnamese troops in 1968. The ak47 assault rifle was designed to be perfectly suitable for untrained recruits. Commandos had a love affair with captured ak47s medium. Max boot, senior fellow, council on foreign relationsand author of the savage wars of peace anyone who has fought or watched a war over the last halfcentury recognizes the ak47, but few know much about it. So when i was in vietnam if anyone fired an ak within earshot you knew what it was and would immediately go on point and grab for the.
It was during the vietnam war that m16 armed us troops encountered vietnamese communists armed with ak47s. The ak 47 has a capability to launch 22mm rifle grenades by using adapter. The weapon that changed the face of war will appeal to anyone who has ever watched the history channelor the evening news. Im just reading magnificent bastards about the 24 usmc in vietnam and it seems that in most of the battles the m16 jams, at one point an entire company had its guns jammed and couldnt fire at all. This guy at the range constantly refuses to shut the fuck up about how the ar15 is a piece of shit, and always references his supposed time in vietnam where he and his unit would ditch their m16 in favor of the ak 47. Ak47 vs m16 vietnam war era offtopic discussion gamespot. M16, the film is a featurelength montage, edited together from a variety of sources, including hollywood movies, promotional videos, documentaries, news reportage, and youtube clips.